Shiraz Lounge Santo Domingo Ave. Anacaona No.101, esq. Cibao Oeste, Dominican Fiesta Hotel & Cacinao, Los Cacicazgos Republica Dominicana 809-562-8222(Lounge) (Bar)
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Ave. Anacaona No.101, esq. Cibao Oeste, Dominican Fiesta Hotel & Cacinao, Los Cacicazgos
Santo Domingo
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809-562-8222

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Fecha: 11/12/15 De: KEVIN
``But I`m increasingly of the opinoin that she`ll probably have to [impose martial law and exclude male participation] in order to salvage her mission.``I support that mission too. And I agree -- it might very well be that HUS has to become a women-only forum. My concern is how effective she or any other woman can execute that mission in helping women with their men problems if men don`t influence some of the discussion. Many of the women who comment at HUS openly say they want ``the male perspective`` (which they should have gotten from the fathers their mothers kicked out of the house and/or divorced, but that`s another story). I`m becoming increasingly convinced as you are, VD, that it`s insoluble. Maybe that just cannot be done in any meaningful way, in large part because so many people have such strong feelings about them. In the end, this is another instance, I fear, in which women are again trying to have it both ways -- they want a ``male perspective``, but they want it nicely tailored, soft-sold, and presented on a silver platter with a parsley sprig as a garnish. No mess, no blood. ``I just want to see that male perspective. I don`t want to see how it got there or what`s in it. Don`t say any of that. I just want to see the finished product. I just want my sausage; don`t tell me how it got here or how it was made or how you found the stuff to make it.`` I am not sure that this is possible. I contrast this with women coming into the manosphere. There seem to be four varieties:1. Those who embrace and actively seek to understand us, warts and all, and help add to understanding. They accept us just as we are. 2. Those who view red pill men as helpful to the female cause of promoting marriage and family life, or who seek to incorporate manosphere ideas and ideals to serve female interests. This variety demands that men tone themselves down and conform to more feminine, ``civilized``, socially acceptable conduct.3. Those who view us as curiosities to be examined and dissected, akin to science experiments. They have no idea at all what to make of us or the things we say, and stand around blinkered as they try to figure it out. The concepts here are so foreign to them and so antithetical to their feminist beliefs that they spend weeks struggling with the basics. There is one woman making the rounds of late who cannot even grasp the concept of male dominance. Not only does she disagree with it; she cannot see how it can even exist as a lifestyle for human beings anywhere. Just Does. Not. Compute. At. All. for her. 4. Those who are openly hostile. We are subjects of fear, scorn and ridicule, to be contained, controlled (and imprisoned or eliminated, if possible). The manosphere to varying degrees tolerates them, hears them, tries to explain. At the very least it does not kick them out, at least not most of the time. Not so with many women, however. Many women insist on ``women only`` spaces. It would be a shame if HUS has to become that; but if it does, I think its effectiveness and influence will be reduced. deti

Fecha: 15/12/14 De: BIRDIE
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